Osama Did It - Get A Life !!

Thursday, August 03, 2006

OK Folks I have had it up to HERE with this DRIVEL !!!!

I am in an ongoing debate with a very smart man with whom I attended 11 years of school back in my hometown. He is a very smart guy. He is worldly, intelligent, knowledgeable, bright, a good communicator, a professional speaker and professional musician, with a beautiful wife and kids. He lives in the Los Angeles area after coming from Smalltown USA in central Texas, population 5,000 country folks.

He has moved up in his life. He has famous friends, is politically very active as an Independent, and has an internet weekly radio show. He's not a dumb guy, and far from it. Far more accomplished than I am, for sure.

Here's the problem:

He believes the US Government is responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

(long, long, LONG head-shaking sigh)

Along with thousands, maybe millions of misguided souls, he has fallen into the crevasse of those who believe our government is capable of:

1. Killing thousands of Americans and international visitors ON PURPOSE.
2. Doing so as a prelude and a precursor for authorizing an attack on Iraq so all the BushCo Oil guys and the Haliburton guys could get rich.
3. Doing so as a prelude to start spying on Americans in America.
4. Hiding such a HUGE HUGE "conspiracy" secret from the people.
5. Covering it up to an extent where no one other than the fringe people who believe it have ANY idea.

Now, this is SO RIDICULOUS in SO MANY WAYS that it's hard to even find a place to start attacking the idiocy of the idea. But I'm going to try to start anyway - that's just me :)

Let's start with one of their BIG premises:

The towers were IMPLODED and DEMOLISHED from within by explosive charges planted by the "Conspiracy Guys."

OK, first of all, explosions of the sort they talk about would have been VISIBLE to the naked eye to the MILLIONS of people watching the towers fall on TV. Dust and debris would have flown out of the building at the instant the "rigged bombs" would have been exploding within the building. Did anyone see that? Nope.

Secondly, the police and fire who were in the area would have HEARD or SEEN something that keyed them to the fact that interior implosions were taking place. They were THERE, onsite, within hundreds of feet of the area. They would have known. SO, based on that inescapable fact, it did not happen that way.

In addition: All the THOUSANDS of people who were involved in the debris cleanup. Did any of them EVER report seeing any "planted explosives debris" during the cleanup? For the "Conspiracy Guys" to have blown the buildings down, and left NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF TRACE EVIDENCE behind, well that would have been the most incredible feat of explosives engineering in the history of mankind !! AND, on top of that, they had to KNOW they would not leave a trace, because if not, the "Conspiracy Guys" would have had to been in control of the cleanup, making sure any evidence of implosion equipment was quickly "hushed up" and hidden away. Not possible, with THOUSANDS of RANDOM VOLUNTEERS doing the job.

And - what about the thousands of workers who reported to work that day - did any of them report seeing any explosive charges rigged around the building? Nope.

And - in most demolition jobs, they cut through the main support beams of the building, usually about 90% through them, to make for a clean collapse. Obviously, the implosion was one of the CLEANEST in history, right? Could this beam-cutting have been done SILENT and UNNOTICED by the INVISIBLE DEMOLITION NINJAS too?

Also: There are seismologists and earthquake equipment all over NYC. If there had been explosions of that kind, someone would have noticed them and reported them to SOMEONE, SOMEWhERE, right? That did not happen. (after further review of this statement, there ARE apparently conspiracy proponents who have seismic readings that day which of course COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE HUGE BUILDINGS FALLING DOWN. NO, it MUST have been explosive charges in the buildings !!!! ((Puh-Leeze)) )

Lastly on this subject: One of the TV channels, I think A&E, had a special show where they detailed how the towers collapsed. They spoke to the designers and engineers of the building, and the NYC building inspectors, and they came up with a perfectly logical explanation of the collapse. It is based on how the steel cross beams for each floor were attached. They were held by one weld at each end, and when the steel SOFTENED, Not MELTED, the weight of the floor above pushed the beams down, and the weight from the above floor caused the lower floor joists to collapse, and it collapsed on itself like an accordion. It's very simple. It was based on the fact that the fireproof spray was scarce in many places and had fallen off, and the force of the explosion blew the rest of it off, so the building had no fire protection for the steel beams. Simple. Obvious. Conclusion.


  • Larry,
    Since I am the person mentioned in this post, I find it necessary to reply. First of all, thank you for the kind words about myself and my family, I wish only the best regards to your and yours as well. I also thank you for your service to our country during your years in the USMC. I applaud all of your fellow service men and women for your call to duty is noble and appreciated.
    One correction regarding me however, I am not a professional speaker but instead an ordinary man who occasionally is afforded a platform to speak on subjects I have knowledge or an interest in.

    In regards to 911 and your blog I must clarify a few things however:
    1. I do not know if George W. Bush knew or not. That is impossible for me to know positively. I do think others around him must have however. It is my personal hypothesis that whoever did this would have possibly viewed him as a security risk given his merely average intelligence and lackluster command of the english language.
    2. You NEVER explain the collapse of WTC 7. Larry Silverstein admitted that WTC was "pulled". If 7 was brought down by explosives then they must have been in place beforehand.
    3. Your arguements regarding free fall speeds and pancaking will not hold up to known scientific law.
    4. To this day Osama is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in regards to 911. If it were so cut and dry don't you think he would be?
    5. William Rodriguez who had worked in the buildings for 20 years did hear the explosions coming from the bottom of the buildings. He knew the building very well. I find his testimony extremely credible. Too bad the 911 Commission excluded this part.
    6. You never explain the financial aspects of this crime including the "Put options" placed on airline stocks in the days beforehand. That's just the starting point. There were numerous financial shenanigans that the SEC has yet to explain.
    7. This is my country as well as yours and it is my duty to question when I believe that the welfare of my country, constitution, and its future are in danger. So to say that I should move to another country because I think the government is evil is insulting and without merit.
    8. Your constant referral to those who are searching for truth in this matter as Conspiracy Freakos is off putting and hints of your own insecurity on the issue. I am not taking it personally but I suggest you reassess your tone if you wish to be taken more seriously.
    9. I never have been an advocate of the no plane theory. Planes hit the WTCs, of that I am certain. I do not know what hit the Pentagon.
    10. Since you have put so much time into the various entries on this blog page and have 0 comments except for this one I am about to post, I am taking the liberty of forwarding it to others for their comments. Blogs are like music, what good are they if noone reads/ hears them?

    Lastly I know from our past that you are a good and patriotic American, I am not questioning that. I hope that you are not questioning the same regarding me. 911 and the ensuing war and loss of life and freedoms is something we must all be vigilant in investigating. I hope that you will continue to look into this subject with an open mind and realize this is not at all about partisan politics and the right and left. It is about right and wrong.


    By Anonymous Michael, at 11:53 AM  

  • Thanks for the comments Mike. Let me address some of the issues you mentioned, using your assigned numbers as a reference point:

    3. Here is the story on the speed of fall, etc.:

    But, of course, the WTC towers did not collapse from fire alone, but from the severe physical damage of a 140-ton aircraft traveling at 540 mph shredding the support structures, not to mention the weight of the planes themselves. Incredible temperatures resulted from approximately 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel. But the fireball itself was an enormous, cataclysmic bomb, shattering the building's interior. They ignore how this fantastic bomb of jet fuel damaged the building. During the ensuing fire, the expansion of steel in 1,500 degree fires distorted the building and sheared off bolts and connectors, as the steel expanded, buckled and warped. Later, a "fuel air bomb" from jet fuel leaking down the elevator shaft shook the entire structure.

    Sixth, conspiracy mongers engage in pure science fiction about whether the WTC buildings should have collapsed as they did. Such calculations are meaningless because we can never know the actual circumstances: What was the temperature inside? We will never know. Was there substandard construction material? Was the construction perfect? Was there corrosion from the salt air of the ocean during 35 years? Was the architectural design as good as the architects thought?

    All such calculations are pure science fiction because there are a hundred variables we can never know. The mythmakers ignore the structural damage from the 1993 bombing. Islamic terrorists had calculated that their truck bomb in the basement garage would bring down the Twin Towers completely. The towers stood, but with what damage?

    Similarly, the mythmakers claim that the towers fell at the same rate as objects in free fall. Actually, the towers fell in a span of between 12 and 20 seconds, whereas free fall is 9.22 seconds. Dr. Frank Greening's exhaustive paper demonstrates brilliantly that the Twin Towers collapse is entirely explainable from gravity alone. Furthermore, how the government can make buildings fall faster (consistent with the news footage) is never well explained.

    On top of that, the ASCE experts, the BUILDING EXPERTS, have all said there was no evidence of demolition, and that the fall was "normal" and what could have been expected in a collapse of that kind. There are too many "unknown and unknowable" data points to make any solid "law of physics" explanation that can PROVE that there was extra demolition involved. We cannot know that happened based on the facts, so we might as well trust the REAL EXPERTS who are the building engineers.

    If physicists were the best people to understand building collapses, then it would be PHYSICISTS building the buildings and not engineers.

    5. This "William Rodriguez" janitor guy - is he an explosives expert? Why would he be the ONLY SURVIVOR reporting "bombs in the basement" if they were real? There were hundreds of firefighters, police, and port authority workers and employees in the building too - why do we not have hundreds of people who got out who are saying the same thing as Mr. Rodriguez? And like I said - assuming that he was the ONLY PERSON with hearing good enough to hear explosions that no one else reports hearing (at least in believable numbers) then who is to say that those explosions were not planted by the terrorists themselves? They got way in 1993 before getting captured - who's to say they could not have done it this time and got away? If anyone planted bombs, they got away clean - why does it have to be government agents who did it and not the people who we KNOW FOR A FACT HATE US?

    4. From the fbi.gov website:

    USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE.IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. Looks like the 9-11 attacks might fall into that bolded category. The FBI is only authorized to investigate criminals INSIDE THE USA and I'm sure there is some technical reason why the 9-11 attacks are not mentioned by name. I can guarantee you it's not because "they think he didn't do it." LOL

    Of course I want comments and discussion posted - that's how these things are supposed to go. Sometimes these blogs are not easily located.

    More later on the other topics....Thanks Mike !!

    By Blogger Larry, at 1:42 PM  

  • More on the numbers you assigned Mike:

    6. I address the financial aspects in several places when I say, "do you think they would have done all this JUST TO MAKE A BUNCH OR RICH GUYS RICHER?" That's just verging on idiotic that good, successful capitalists like Cheney and Bush would have to stopp to MURDER when they are already making money hand over fist due to their successful business careers before they became politicians. Thinking you have to kill 3,000 innocent people, then start a deadly war that will kill hundreds of thousands more, JUST to make a few bucks? Like I said - you would have to believe they are more evil than Hitler to think that, and I don't think anyone would agree to that, except maybe Cindy Sheehan.

    7. My point is to show that if you REALLY are scared that the Government is trying to kill us/you, wouldn't it be preferable and safer for those with that fear to live in a safer place than here? I'm not trying to kick people out, I'm trying to help them feel safe, since they cannot trust their government to keep them safe. That's all. It's not an insult to anyone.

    8. I changed "freakos" to "proponents" and "dudes" to satisfy this issue.

    9. Obviously the plane which we thought hit the Pentagon hit the Pentagon. Hundreds of commuters in DC saw it, and the plane and passengers are obviously GONE, so what is another REASONABLE explanation?

    1. It's not only impossible for you to know if GWB was involved, it's impossible for ANYONE to know who was involved except the people who WERE involved. And like I said, why would Osama and his now thousands of new Mujahadin followers be claiming it and praising Allah for 9-11 if they did NOT do it? Should they be praising Karl Rove? :)

    More later....:)

    By Blogger Larry, at 1:57 PM  

  • The crutch of the official 9-11 story is that planes brought down the buildings. If this is the case then how did WTC 7 collapse in the afternoon? (Keep in mind that wtc 7 was never struck by any plane)
    You did know that 3 buildings collapesed at the wtc complex in NY on September 11, 2001 right?

    Why did firefighters, newsreporters, and bystanders all report multiple explosions prior and during the collapses?

    Why would there be pools of molten steel months after 9-11?

    How did an airplane punch a 14 ft diameter hole through the pentagon? (google: pentagon exit hole)

    Why did the FBI confiscate all of the security cameras that captured the "airplane" crashing into the pentagone on 9-11? Why has none of this footage been released. The only footage released was that taken by a parking garage camera. This footage does not show any sign of a plane.

    Why would our govenment do this to our own people?

    9-11 was perpetrated by the shadow government that operates above the elected government of the US.

    Why did supposedly US corporations, IBM, AT&T, Ford, General Motors, Dupont and wealthy families (Rockefeller, Bush) invest in IG Farben? IG Farben was the war machine of the 3rd Reich. They produced the weapons of war that Hitler used.


    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
    --- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864


    "The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace & conspires against it in times of war. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who even question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me & the financial institutions at the rear, the latter is my greatest foe.
    --- President Abraham Lincoln

    "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
    --- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)


    We are controlled by a small group of dominate men. The worst ruled and most completely controlled government in the civilized world. Some of the biggest men in the United States are afraid of something. They know that there is a power, so organized, so subtle, so interlocked, so complete that they had better not speak above their beneath, when they speak in condemnation of it.
    -- Woodrow Wilson (President that signed the Federal Reserve into existence)


    "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

    -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials (2nd in command - 3rd Reich)


    "Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

    Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991


    "The world can therefore seize the opportunity (Persian Gulf crisis) to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind."
    -- George Herbet Walker Bush (SR) (national television)

    "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people henceforth pledge their allegiance."
    --G H W Bush, U.N., February 1, 1992


    That is enough for now. I look forward to hearing from you. I doubt that I will ever find my way back to your blog. Please contact me on my myspace page.


    A mutual friend directed me to your blog. Thank you for your military service.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:21 PM  

  • to the anonymous commenter who pointed me to his myspace page:

    Your question is: Why did firefighters, newsreporters, and bystanders all report multiple explosions prior and during the collapses?

    That answer is clearly in my blog. Search using the word "explosion" or "bomb" and you will see my explanations. Those 1-acre-sized floors of WTC collapsing onto each other sounded like bombs. A two-story concrete parking garage falling sounds like a bomb. When they drop my dumpster outside it sounds like a bomb. MANY things sound like bombs which are NOT bombs.

    Your other question: Why would there be pools of molten steel months after 9-11?

    Because they were not there. Even Steven Jones in his paper admits that no one ever took pictures or video or documented such molten steel. He has asked people for evidence that it was there to bolster his paper. And like I said in my blog, if there was thermite in the basement, WHO'S TO SAY that was not the terrorists who planted it and got away? Why does it have to be government agents planting it? Why could the terrorists not have done it as a part of the attack plan? Until anyone can prove the government planted the "bombs" in the basement, it's just HEARSAY and SPECULATION.

    By Blogger Larry, at 7:41 AM  

  • Video clip of firemen talking about bombs found in one of the WTC buildings:


    * Fireman: "There's a bomb in the building!"

    Fireman: "Here we go again"

    Fireman: "There's a bomb in the building, start clearing out."

    Bystander: "Sorry? Did you say there was a bomb? What did you say?"

    Fireman: "Bomb in the building! Start clearing out!"

    Fireman: "We gotta get the **** outta here!"

    Fireman "There's a secondary device in the building!"

    Fireman: "We got a secondary device!"

    Fireman: "Got a secondary device in the building!"

    Fireman: "Secondary device!"

    Examples of World Trade Center Demolition Quotes (there are many more than this)




    pgs 14-16: I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was...
    ...for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was... I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

    Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

    A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too...

    Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.

    A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don't know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don't know.

    -CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE Interview Date: November 7, 2001

    ...I can’t explain it. You had to be there. All I know is I had to run because I thought there was an explosion.

    pg 11: Whatever this explosion was simply sucked all the oxygen out of the air.

    pg 15: Somewhere around the middle of the world trade center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building. I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion…

    pg 16: So here these explosions are getting bigger and louder and bigger and louder…

    -DEPUTY COMMISSIONER THOMAS FlTZPATRlCK Interview Date: October 1, 2001


    pgs 13-14: We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.

    -FDNY recall "detonations" in South Tower:

    fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.

    fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.

    fireman2: 2 blocks.

    fireman1: and we started runnin'

    fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch

    fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..

    fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
    fireman1: yea detonated yea

    fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,

    boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...

    fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'

    Video: http://www.prisonplanet.tv/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg


    FIREFIGHTER EDWARD CACHIA Interview Date: December 6, 2001


    pg 5: As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

    -PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA Interview Date: OCTOBER 10 2001


    pg 9: It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.

    -FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS Interview Date: December 10, 2001


    pgs 3-4: … then there was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.

    -LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE Interview Date: October 22, 2001


    pg 6: The next thing I know, we heard a little bit of a rumbling, and then white powder came from the first collapsed building. I thought it was an explosion initially.

    pgs 7-8: After that, I still thought it was an explosion. I thought it was some kind of thermal explosion where I'm either going to get burnt -- and I had kind of ideas that it was going to be something like Hiroshima where all this heat was coming at me and we were going to get burnt -- or if the heat didn't burn me, I thought that all the parts coming out of this building, the windows, metal, all the things like that, that I might be severed in half.

    pg 10: I don't think we understood the magnitude of what was going on. I was fearful that there were bombs in the building. That was my first thought, being the military kind of guy that I am.

    -FATHER JOHN DELENDICK Interview Date: December 6, 2001


    pgs 5-6: I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet fuel that was dropping down that caused all this. But he said it was too even.

    Q. Symmetrical?
    A. So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well.

    -NBC Reporter, Pat Dawson: “[Albert Turi] the Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place. …That his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.1.wmv


    FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN Interview Date: December 26, 2001


    pg 10: … right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. … You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down…

    -FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BURKE Interview Date: January 22, 2002


    pg 8: Then the building popped, lower than the fire, which learned was I guess, the aviation fuel fell into the pit, and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that’s why it popped at that floor. That’s the rumor I heard. But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped thought it was an explosion.

    -FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE Interview Date: December 28, 2001


    pg 8: The tower was -- it looked to me – I thought it was exploding, actually. That’s what I thought for hours afterwards, that it had exploded or the plane or there had been some device on the plane that had exploded, because the debris from the tower had shot out far over our heads. It was raining down.

    pgs 15-16: While I was down at Battery Park, I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, “I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.” He said, “where were you? You were there?” I said, “yeah, I was right there when it blew up.” He said, “you were there when the planes hit?” I said, “no, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.” He said, “you mean, when it fell down?” I said, “no, when it exploded.” I still didn’t realized what had happened. I totally thought it had been blown up. That’s just the perspective of looking up at it, it seemed to have exploded out.

    -FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA Interview Date: January 22, 2002


    pgs 4-5: We were there about ten minutes before the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors...
    ...when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The whole building shook. The brick coming out of -- the door to the hallway into the hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all over the place. It shook all over the place. We were thrown on the floor. We looked inside the lobby after everything calmed down, and everything was collapsed. The building was still shaking and we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get out of here. After we decided to get out of there, we dropped everything. We had a roof rope; we dropped it. We didn't think about retaining our tools. We just wanted to get out of there. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs.

    pg 7: Mike Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook. Everything went black. The wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust, all the -- and everything went dark.

    pg 9: When the second tower came down, we had no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a second device. We thought, this is it, we are dead.

    -MSNBC Reporter, Rick Sanchez: "… Police have found what they describe as a suspicious device, and they fear that it might be something that could lead to another explosion...I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me that they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the WTC aside from the ones that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive device in it. So, their fear here is that there may have been explosive devices planted either in the building or in the adjacent area ."
    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdrUMfax8I

    -WTC Worker: “…we stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby. Then we get to the lobby, there’s this big explosion.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.lobby.big.explosion.wmv


    BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO Interview Date: October 12, 2001


    pg 5: It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion...

    -ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY Interview Date: October 16, 2001


    pg 6: We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.

    pg 7: That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building...

    pg 12: As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.

    -CAPTAIN JAY SWITHERS Interview Date: October 30, 2001


    pg 5: I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device...

    -MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson: "At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as soon as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last."
    Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.ann.thompson.intermediate.explosions.wmv

    -Reporter: “… there was an explosion. It was way up where the fire was.. and the whole building, at that point, bellied out in flames…”Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv


    LIEUTENANT GREGG HANSSON Interview Date: October 9, 2001


    pg 15: Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.

    -FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS Interview Date: December 11, 2001


    pgs 3-4: After a while, and I don't know how long it was, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. …

    Q. … where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?
    A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane. I saw it as fire and when I looked at it on television afterwards, it doesn't appear to show the fire. It shows a rush of smoke coming out below the area of the plane impact. The reason why I think the cameras didn't get that image is because they were a far distance away and maybe I saw the bottom side where the plane was and the smoke was up above it.

    -FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI Interview Date: January 17, 2002


    pgs 4-5: … sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.

    -FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY Interview Date: December 5, 2001


    pgs 19-20: I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don’t know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, ****, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in tunnel with the train coming at you. It sounded like nothing I had ever heard in my life, but it didn’t sound good. All of a sudden I could feel the floor started to shake and sway. We were being thrown like literally off our feet, side to side, getting banged around and then a tremendous a wind started to happen. It probably lasted maybe 15 seconds, 10 to 15 seconds. It seemed like hurricane force wind. It would blow you off your feet and smoke and debris and more things started falling.

    -EMT MICHAEL OBER Interview Date: October 16, 2001


    pgs 4-5: Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an explosion. It didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would ever come down, so I didn’t think they were coming down.

    -War Corespondent, Jack Kelley: "…Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that there... that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time, and brought both of them down..."
    Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.wtc.truck.bombs.fbi.jack.kelley.rm

    -Terrorism Security Expert (used by many news organizations): “We’ve heard reports of secondary explosions after the aircraft impacted, whether in fact there wasn't something else at the base of the towers that in fact were the coup de grace to bring them to the ground.”
    Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.wtc.secondary.explosions.jeffrey.beatty.wmv


    LIEUTENANT NEIL BROSNAN Interview Date: December 12, 2001


    pgs 8-9: Actually the explosion came in through those doors and came up behind the way I had come in. And I realized that, that the explosion came from the way had just left.

    pg 20: They observed the explosion and the hallway disappeared. They thought the hallway blew up where I had come from.

    -FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI Interview Date: December 6, 2001


    pgs 3-4: We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

    -EMT JULIO MARRERO Interview Date: October 25, 2001


    pg 4: … I heard a loud bang. We looked up, and we just saw the building starting to collapse.

    -FIREFIGHTER CRAIG CARLSEN Interview Date: January 25, 2002


    pg 6: I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions...

    -ABC Reporter: “…the entire building has just collapsed as if a demolition team set off....”
    Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.abc.demolition.team.wmv

    -Witness: "I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions... three thuds and turned around to see the building that we just got out of... tip over and fall in on itself."Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv

    -Witness: "...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and then all of a sudden three big explosions. "
    Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.2.wmv


    SUPERVISING FIRE MARSHAL JOHN D. LYNN Interview Date: December 27, 2001


    pg 3: It's hard to deal with the time frame, but it seems as if suddenly there was a -- our attention was drawn to the south tower. There was some kind of explosion, you might say, up in the area where the fire was.

    -BATTALION CHIEF JOHN SUDNIK Interview Date: November 7, 2001


    pg 4: Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down.

    -FDNY: "As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."

    Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv

    -Street Reporter: "45 minutes into the taping that we were doing, there was… an explosion. It was way up where the fire was, and the whole building… at that point… bellied out… in flames… and everybody ran."
    Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv

    -9/11 Hero William Rodriguez: says explosions before airplanes hit: (INN World Report - 15 Minute Interview)

    Video: http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv


    LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO Interview Date: October 10, 2001


    pg 4: … I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean.

    -FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO Interview Date: December 11, 2001


    pg 3: There was an explosion at the top of the Trade Center and a piece of Trade Center flew across the West Side Highway and hit the Financial Center.

    pg 5: About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building.

    pgs 6-7: At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges...

    -LIEUTENANT GARY GATES Interview Date: October 12, 2001


    pgs 6-7: I looked up, and the building exploded., the building that we were very close to, which was one tower.The whole top came off like a volcano.

    -FIREFIGHTER KEVIN MURRAY: Interview Date: October 9, 2001


    pg 15: When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino -- you know, dominoeing up and then come down.

    -FDNY: "We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses..." Video: http://www.911blimp.net/videos/FDNY-explosions.mov


    -LT. THOMAS PIAMBINO Interview Date: January 24, 2002


    pg 5: The south tower had fallen, but at that time I didn't know what it was. All I heard was a tremendous explosion. The tower I was in shook really bad. It really shook bad, and my opinion, I thought it was another aircraft that hit the building."

    -FIREFIGHTER FRANK SWEENEY Interview Date: October 18, 2001


    pg 9: I hear what sounded like firecrackers and a low rumble. I look up, and the south tower – I could see the top part of the siding overlapping the bottom side of the siding..

    -FIREFIGHTER KEVIN GORMAN Interview Date: January 9, 2002


    pg 6: … I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.

    Building 7 Demolition Quotes

    o -Reporter Al Jones: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion -- looked like it had been done by a demolition crew -- the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion."

    Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 28:25)



    -Emergency worker: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cuz it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around -- we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock."

    Live 9-11 Report from 1010 WINS NYC News Radio, presented in the documentary "911 Eyewitness" (Forward to 31:30)


    -Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:

    Hosted by Bonnie Falkner

    Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)

    Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

    Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...

    ...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

    Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought down" and who was it that was telling you this?

    Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

    Excerpt from above is heard approximately ten minutes into the interview: http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78

    -Columbia Journalism Review – May/June 2003, by Thomas Franklin

    Excerpt from an article written by award winning photographer, Thomas Franklin, who snapped the world famous photo of firemen raising the American flag at ground zero. In the article Franklin explains that all of ground zero was evacuated less than an hour before WTC 7 was demolished at approximately 5:20 pm on 9/11:

    "Much of what happened to me on September 11 is a blur, but this moment I clearly remember: It was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to fall. I had only a few frames left, and an entire day's worth of pictures to develop, so I prepared to head back to New Jersey."

    Link to entire article: http://archives.cjr.org/year/02/2/franklin.asp


    - CBS News Anchor, Dan Rather, makes comments after Building 7 falls down:

    “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.

    Video: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/w..._demolition.mpg


    -WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein's comments about Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", which aired in September of 2002:

    “I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

    Video: http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV

    Also @ Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahEva8zQas

    -In the same documentary, America Rebuilds, a clean up worker at ground zero uses the term "pull" when preparing for the controlled demolition of Building 6: (Use of the word “pull” as slang for “demolish”)

    Unidentified Construction Worker: "Hello? Oh, we're getting ready to pull building six."

    Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.”

    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ

    Below is an audio clip of a phone call made to a Demolition company asking them what "pulling a building" means? They admit that "pull" is a term used when demolishing a building:

    -Silverstein Answers WTC Building 7 Charges: Says "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building:


    Various video clips of Building 7 falling down posted on Youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmL9F-TSIes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewf3zYS-QkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLqx_gjBAg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtqcEVrqFNY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BcquyD_DcQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZffxZ40Gqj4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uPfKghBIOY


    BBC News Footage Captures Audio of Explosions BEFORE Tower falls!

    Below is a video clip from the BBC, in which the sound of explosions can be heard seconds BEFORE the North Tower falls down:

    Click link to watch BBC video posted on Youtube:

    Click here for downloadable version:

    (I recommend wearing headphones when watching/listening to this video clip. If you don't have headphnes, turn the volume all the way up on your speakers. HINT: Listen very closely once the motorcycle drives past the person being interviewed)


    Thunderous booms can be heard just after the "motorcycle" drives past the man being interviewed (Stephen Evans) -- and then after the booms occur, you hear bystanders say "Oh my GOD!" while looking and pointing toward the North Tower. A few seconds after that, there's another explosion -- the person being interviewed then covers his ears in a fright and turns around to see the tower begin to fall.

    (FYI: The camera that recorded this audio evidence of explosions was obviously some distance away from the North Tower (my best guesstimate is about 3/4 of a mile away) creating a sound delay, so the explosions would have occurred a couple of seconds earlier than what is represented in the video)

    Here's a partial transcript of the interview:

    Stephen Evans: "...someone said they saw an airliner go into one of those towers. Then... I don't know... an hour later than that, we heard that big explosion from much, much lower. I don't know what on earth caused that...

    (Motorcycle drives past Stephen Evans)


    Bystanders: "Oh my GOD! (pointing and looking in the direction of the North Tower)


    Stephen Evans: "...People were just talking to each other, nodding their heads... (stops talking and raises hands up to ears in a fright. Screams are heard from the people standing in the street as more explosions occur -- and the North Tower begins to fall.)

    And just to clarify, the South Tower had already fallen when this interview took place -- and that is what Stephen Evans is referencing when he said:

    "Then... I don't know... an hour later than that, we heard that big explosion from much, much lower. I don't know what on earth caused that..."

    Remember to wear headphones while watching this footage...

    By Anonymous S4, at 10:42 AM  

  • S4, that is the biggest compilation of crappy hearsay I have yet seen. I have seen wole transcripts of most of those snippets of interviews you posted, and you are including the contextual info which supports your point and not the whole text. When the whole text is read, you realize that none of those guys REALLY thought there were BOMBS planted in the buildings. None of them.

    Let me address one thing:

    This supposed guy who said this: "Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area."

    Give him a call and let him come on TV and say the NYC Dept of Design and Construction "demolished building six" on 9-11.

    If you can get that guy on TV saying THAT, I will delete this blog.

    Look at yourself and look at the hate you are presenting.

    By Blogger Larry, at 7:18 AM  

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