Demolition REVISITED

Another thing I thought about yesterday and today in regard to demolitions: Don't they take like WEEKS to put them together? And dont they cut through the steel support columns about 90% and use hundreds of feet of wire to use an electric charge to fire the blasting caps? And don't they start at the BOTTOM of the buildings, not where the plane crashed into?

Why, yes, they DO.

I found an demolition company which, WITHOUT POLITICAL BIAS, has analyzed the data they have and the video tapes of the collapses from a DEMOLITION point of view, EXCLUSIVE of any conclusion by FEMA, NIST, or anyone else. They put together a little PDF file which can be found here:

The WTC Towers were NOT demolished by explosives.

They are pretty succinct and LOGICAL and they understand what it takes to demolish a building and they understand what a demolition looks like. WTC was not a demolition. Oh yes, also - this company was doing demolition work in the city that day and have their own seismic recordings that day, which along with the readings by Columbia University, show that there were NO seismic indications of preliminary explosions.

Get OVER it CTers.

Demolition Theory at WTC "REALLY" Starting To Get On My Nerves

After reading the "Aftermath..." book on Friday night and looking at all the GZ pics and being reminded AGAIN that the debris workers came from all over the state of NY and indeed all over the USA, it strikes me AGAIN as so completely ridiculous that any demolition equipment was supposedly used at WTC.

First of all: There were almost 20,000 human body parts or remnants of human bodies recovered from the site. Since human tissue is softer than anything a bomb can be made out of, it would stand to obvious REASON that if any thermite canisters or bombs or incindiary devices were planted ANYWHERE it the WTC towers, that SOME small piece of ONE of those bombs or any bomb-making material would have been found at the debris site. No wires, no timers, no evidence of any demolition equipment ANYWHERE in the millions of debris pieces. HHHHMMMMMMMMM.

This is ESPECIALLY true for the CTers who say that the dust puffs out of the windows as the floors collapsed were made by bombs. If there were THAT MANY BOMBS, then SURELY some remnants of that would have been found in the debris pile - right? Right?

Nothing of the sort was reported found by ANYONE. All the hundreds if not thousands of cleanup workers, cops, firemen, iron workers, construction workers - NOT ONE OF THEM FOUND ANY TRACES OF ANY BOMBS ANYWHERE IN THE DEBRIS PILE.

Does that not ring as a huge CLUE to the clueless "inside jobbers" that there must have been NO BOMBS and NO THERMITE if nothing was found in the pile?

Did Rove and Cheney use "invisible bombs" to go along with the "invisible ninjas" who planted the bombs and the "invisible wires" they used to detonate the bombs and the "invisible location" from which all the bombs were detonated?

Freakin DUH.

I just ordered a book the "inside jobbers" are either going to love or hate

I just ordered Aftermath: World Trade Center Archive (Hardcover)
by Joel Meyerowitz (Author) from Amazon.com

It has 8500 photos of the debris cleanup over the 9 months after the collapse.

It will either:

1. give the CT folks more ammo, or
2. it will amaze them that this was ALLOWED to be published, or
3. it will provide visual proof of no demolition.

So either way, the Inside Jobbers are going to be affected. Can't wait to get my copy.

"Inside Jobbers" should get their theories straight.

I have looked at literally HUNDREDS of "conspiracy theory" websites lately. Seems like, to have a mainstream, coherent, believable message, some of those folks ought to get together and settle on ONE theory per 9-11 incident. Here are some of the things I have seen written.

At the WTC Towers:

1. NO planes hit the WTC. It was done with Holograms, and CNN was in on it.
2. Planes DID hit the WTC, but they had missile pods on the bottom which caused all the damage to the buildings.
3. Someone was firing missiles from the roof of the WoolWorth Buiding.
4. It was just "commuter size" planes that hit the buildings, and the bombs inside did all the damage. The planes were just a DIVERSION.

At the Pentagon:

1. It was a cruise missile.
2. It was a missile fired from a helicopter.
3. It was a bunker buster dropped from a C-130.
4. It was a small commuter plane.
5. It was a military jet which hit the Pentagon.

At Shanksville:

1. Flight 93 landed in Cleveland and the passengers disembarked there.
2. Flight 93 was shot down.
3. The damage at the crash site was the missile hitting the ground after Flight 93 had landed in Cleveland.
4. Flight 93 reported an explosion and a fire on the plane.
5. Earthquake data shows Flight 93 crashed a WHOLE THREE MINUTES before the "official" crash time.

Hijackers:

1. They are all still alive and living in exile paid for by the CIA.
2. They were all too incompetent to fly a plane which was already in the air (my 10 yr old son could do that)
3. The planes were flown by remote control (that would be a very cool toy to own)
4. Hijackers were CIA patsies only, and the PILOTS flew the planes.

Osama Bin Laden:

1. He's at Camp David.
2. He's been a CIA patsy for 20 years, since we hired him to fight the Russians.
3. He's taking credit for it but did not do it.
4. Although he is responsible (apparently) for multiple OTHER terrorist acts across the world, he did not do 9-11.
5. Pakistan is hiding him for the CIA.

Seems like to me (just a thought) that MAYBE if the "inside job" folks wanted to be taken more seriously, they need to have, like, a seminar or a debate or something and get ONE STORY on EACH ITEM and select that one as the truth as they see it. You know, put together a demonstration of how this happened, what happened when, who did what, and keep it all on the SAME PAGE. Maybe then someone without political bias would take them more seriously.

Ya Think? Ya see the problem? There is NO WAY they could do that. So "one coherent truth" cannot be put forward by the Conspiract Theorists. So in essence, their movement is doomed to be untrue.

Logically, if THEY cannot put one coherent theory together, but WE CAN as the believers that OBL perpetrated the attack, then who is wrong by default?

Think about it this way: The "inside job" folks have had FIVE YEARS to put together a coherent story of what they think happened, and they cannot do it.

The "official story" was basically on the news on 9-12-2001. IT had "one solitary day" to show what happened.

The truth is fast but lies take time.

Loose Change Forum No Like Me

Well, if you want to challenge the wackos over at the Loose Change Forum, be careful not to call them names. They, however, can call BushCo all the names they WANT to, slander the NYFD, slander the government, and do whatever they feel like in the name of HATE.

I ask one little question and my posting capability got banned. THAT'S a good way to stimulate discussion - stifle debate !! Why did I not think of that before?

PS. They re-instated me because I complained of being censored. Good for them. I'm back over there posting rebuttals again. Thanks Sanders.

This Was Printed 9-12-2001 in the Miami Herald. It should remind all of us of the pain and especially the anger the 9-11 attacks created in Americans:

We'll Go Forward From This Moment
by Leonard Pitts, Jr., the Miami Herald, written 9-11-01.

It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But at this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn?

Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae--a singer's revealing dress, a
ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though--peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the
overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people--you, perhaps, think that any or all of this makes us weak.

You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot by measured by arsenals.

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.

Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward
from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange:

You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

Copyright 2001 Miami Herald.

More on the force of the concussion of when the plane hit the tower

This from a "blog" of a man who worked on the 26th floor of the North Tower. This comes from his talking to friends and co-workers who were at the building at the time. He was (lucky for him) away on Jury Duty that morning and watched the events from afar. His name is Edward Jerlin and this is his page:

http://www.geocities.com/ejerlin/

"We were down on the 44th floor when the plane hit our building.
The windows all broke & chairs & equipment, anything near the
windows, got sucked out of the building."

So think about that for a second. When the plane hit, 40 floors ABOVE them, the concussion on their floor was so strong that windows broke and chairs and equipment got sucked out of the windows.

For those who doubt the INCREDIBLE FORCE that the impact of the plane had on the structure of the building, please re-read the above two paragraphs. An impact so strong that 40 floors BELOW the impact zone, windows were shattered and the concussion effect sucked chairs and equipment out of the window. Amazing.

More from Ed's site:

"When we got to the lobby, they let us out of the side of the
building on the 2nd floor, the upper-lobby where all the tourists go."

"All the elevator doors were black & burnt out & mangled at all
kinds of odd angles. There were a couple of inches of water on
the floor. They were hoarding us away from the central courtyard
towards West Street."

"The courtyard was littered with debris & bodies.
I only looked briefly. That was more than I wanted to see.
All kinds of flaming debris was floating around like a meteor shower.
I couldn't begin to describe what that looked like."

"There was a guy just outside the door holding everyone at the door,
making them wait. Then some huge piece of glass or something would
hit the ground. Then he'd yell, 'NOW! RUN! RUN!' He was letting
out 3 people at a time to RUN out of there towards West Street.
Then he'd stop everybody again, followed by something else falling.
He was trying to get everyone out without anyone getting hit by anything.
He was putting his own life on the line to get others out.
I really hope he got out."

"You could feel the heat."

"I'll never get over seeing people jump from the building."

Think about the lobby elevator doors being "black and magngled." That's from the jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts and exploding. ALL THE WAY DOWN THE THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING.

More from the elevator fires:

"One guy I work with, Pat, you remember him?
He was downstairs for a cigarette & waiting for an elevator.
When the doors opened, flames shot out of them & killed the
guy in front of him & the guy beside him almost immediately.
Pat got burns on about 30% of his body, or something like that.
It's amazing he's alive. I guess he's in pretty good spirits
because I heard that he joked with Steve that he's now uglier
than he is. I don't know when or if he'll come back to work."

Loose Change Forum

If you want to see some WACKO ideas thrown around, go visit this asylum:

Loose Change Forum

Do like I did and start posting rebuttals to their crap. I'm anxious to see how much hate I can generate. Seems to be easily done - just disagree and BOOM "you are a sheep" or "you are an idiot" or "you support a mass murderer" etc etc.

I hate to spit this cliche', but it's more like the "Loose Screw" forum over there.

Dr. Stephen Jones, Conspiracy Advocate, On the Hot Seat

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/60800

Looks like all those "Mormons in the Bush Administration" have some pull at BYU, LOL! Dr. Jones might need to reconsider his ridiculous opinion to keep his job. Even if he is not fired (which is doubtful) this will surely lead to more of his peers looking disdainfully upon him, which is good news for TRUE academia.

Let's End The Pentagon Missile Conspiracy Talk, Shall We? ALLRIGHTY THEN.

Eyewitness Accounts

This page is loaded with eyewitness accounts FROM WASHINGTON DC of people who SAW A PLANE COME IN LOW AND HIT THE PENTAGON.

To believe it was a missile, you would have to somehow prove that all these dozens of unrelated people were ALL in on "the conspiracy."

Puh-Leeze.....

I need to make this post

So here we are at the 5 year anniversary. I remember that morning well, as most all of us do. I was at my desk when a couple of co-workers who come in later than I did burst into the door saying "a plane crashed into the World Trade Center." We immediately started surfing cnn.com and other news sites, and not much was there yet really. We have a TV upstairs in our training room, so I went up there and setup the antenna and tuned to a local station, which was by that time doing a live feed from CNN. Two of the owners of the company came up there and we watched in silence and shock. We were watching live when the second plane hit, and then it of course dawned on us that it was a terrorist act. The instant the first tower started falling my first thought was "Oh My God" and my second thought, following almost instantly on top of that one was, "the other tower is going to come down too." I just instinctively knew that, based on the obvious visual evidence right in front of me. I instantly made the connection that the second tower hit was hit LOWER and thus had MORE WEIGHT above the fire and that was why it went first - I did not have to wait for any experts to tell me that. I knew that in the first 30 seconds after it collapsed. I watched for about 15 minutes after the second tower fell and then I had to go back to work. Did not really get any work done that day - most of us were talking about it and following the news sites.

I urge all of you to remember your feelings that day. Remember the pain, the anger, the shock, the itch for quick revenge. All the things we are doing to try to prevent further attacks are designed with the goal to AVOID those kind of feelings in the future. Support the Homeland Security Department.

Here is the first e-mail I got that morning which referenced the attacks:

7:24 AM MST 9/11/01: Are you watching the news this morning ?......the two planes that were highjacked...one from Boston to LA crashed into the Pentegon and the other crashed into the New York world towers. They just said that one building has just collapsed. and they have ordered all airplanes now flying to land at the nearest airport.

Here is the second one:

9:33 AM MST 9/11/01: Are you watching the news?

Third one, who was cc'ed on the second one:

9:38 AM MST 9/11/01: OH yes, we have our big screen on, been watching it since the first plane flew into the WTC. It just gets more crazy as the day goes along.

Here was my first outgoing mail from myself that morning:

11:14 AM MST 9/11/01: This is horrible. Makes me want to cry, makes me want to scream, makes me want to torture someone involved in this atrocity. Thank GOD we have Bush and not Clinton in the White House..................

My cousin replied:

11:35 AM MST 9/11/01: Clinton is gladly gone. It makes me mad too. Palestinians celebrating in the streets. Whoever did it better not fess up. I have a feeling there won't be any of them left. I'm glad we're somewhat safe. Talk to you later.

I got this mail the morning of the 13th, which summarizes how the world felt about us that day:

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good
Neighbor. Widespread, but only partial news coverage, was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon
Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator.

What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the
Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions
of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries
is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When
earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in
to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those
countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd
like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get
radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You
talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not
once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about
scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for
everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and
hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are
breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at
home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When
the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000
times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They
will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they
are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over
their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand
proud, America!

Those Silly Al-Jezeera Guys !!

Another (yet ANOTHER) video tape 9-7-2006 from Osama's network, this time supposedly a 9-11 planning session and two "last will and testament" statements from two of the supposed hijackers. No wonder Karl Rove hates Osama - he's getting all the credit for the plan while Rove is getting no credit at all !!! (tongue firmly inserted in cheek)

I've Been On A 9-11 Documentary Binge

Lately, becuase of the approaching 5-year anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, there have been NUMEROUS TV specials and documentaries on the tube lately. Some are new, some are re-hashes.

One particularly interesting one ( in regard to the demolition theories ) was on last night on Discovery Channel. It was called "Metal of Honor - Ironworkers of Ground Zero" or something to that effect.

It was the story of all the ironworkers who came from all over the country to help remove the heaviest iron debris from the recovery site. Their job was to identify the metal supporting the piles and remove the steel by cutting and extracting it, making it easier and safer to remove the piles of debris.

There were interviews with several of them who worked 12-hour shifts for several months and were INTIMATE with the debris pile and the steel and iron girders and basically all of the debris.

And guess what?

Not a SINGLE ONE OF THEM mentioned finding ANY steel or iron which looked ANYTHING like a demolition had occurred.

How is THAT possible, conspiracy guys?

You had men with 30+ years of iron and steel working experience. Surely SOME of them in their careers had been a part of a team that removed debris from a truly demolished building or two. But amazingly, NONE of them said anything about seeing anything like that.

Seems like if there HAD been evidence of a demolition, then THESE GUYS would have seen it, what with hundreds of them spending 12 hours a day for months on the debris pile.

Any explanations for that?

The NIST report is the most detailed around

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

These guys did the most detailed and involved investigation of the WTC collapse which has been completed. Quote:

"Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse."

My question is: have any of the Conspiracy organizations done NEAR this much investigation? I think we all know the answer is NOPE.

When all the evidence was SCIENTIFICALLY ANALYZED BY PROFESSIONALS, here was the logical, professional conclusion:

"NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:

* the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;

* the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.

Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.

In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view."

'Nuff said? Of course not. Because the conspiracy theorists are going to say NIST was involved in the "cover-up" of course.

"Deee-Tee-Deee" as Carlos Mencia would say.