Now The Guantanamo Detainees Are AGAIN Admitting They Did It

From cnn.com on 3-10-2009:

Five Guantanamo prisoners accused in the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on the U.S. staunchly defended their actions, calling the operation "blessed" and "great" and the accusations against them "badges of honor."

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is shown in a courtroom sketch at Guantanamo Bay in January.

"You are the last nation that has the right to speak about civilians and killing civilians," the five said in a response this month to the U.S. government's war crimes charges.

"You are professional criminals, with all the meaning the words carry," the response said. "Therefore, we will treat you the same. We will attack you, just like you have attacked us, and whomever initiated the attacks is the guilty party."

The six-page response from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who plotted the attacks, and four others castigates the actions of the United States and its allies in the Middle East and calls the United States "the terrorist country number one in the world."

The military commission set up to hear the men's cases at the Guantanamo Bay inmate facility received the signed document Thursday, and a military judge ordered its release on Monday.

The five are members of the al Qaeda terror network. Mohammed, who has taken credit for planning the attack, and the four other prisoners call themselves members of the 9/11 Shura Council.

"With regards to these nine accusations that you are putting us on trial for; to us, they are not accusations. To us they are badges of honor, which we carry with pride. Many thanks to God, for his kind gesture, and choosing us to perform the act of Jihad for his cause and to defend Islam and Muslims," the response stated.

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Reacting to the charges of "attacking civilians," "attacking civilian objects" and "deliberately causing grave bodily harm," the five asked who really pursued such actions. "Is it us, or is it you?"

It ties the United States to attacks in "Palestine and Lebanon by providing political, military, and economic support to the terrorist state of Israel, which in turn, is attacking unarmed innocent civilians." It also noted American actions in Iraq and the dropping of atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

As for "crimes in violation of the law of war," it cites Israeli occupation of Palestinian and Lebanese land and the displacement of Palestinians, the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and the mistreatment of prisoners at places such as the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Answering another accusation, hijacking and/or endangering a vessel or an aircraft, the five said, "if you do not respect the innocent in our countries, then we will do the same, by exposing you to danger and hijacking in the air, at sea and at land."

Quranic verses were cited in the filing, and the men underscored their defense of "oppressed" Muslims.

"Our religion is a religion of fear and terror to the enemies of God: the Jews, Christians and pagans. With God's willing, we are terrorists to the bone."

It also predicts that the United States "will fall, politically, militarily and economically."

"Your end is very near and your fall will be just as the fall of the towers on the blessed 9/11 day," the court filing said.

I'm Late On This One I'm Sure

I have just come to realize that most of the Troofers are not REALLY INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH at all. They're just NOT. (I'm sure this has been known by other people but it just hit me hard recently. Sorry to be so slow to catch on !!!)

They are more interested in Bashing BushCo, griping about the war, and trying to prove how much "smarter they are than we sheeple" by their brilliant analysis of the 9-11 events.

It started out innocently enough - some BushHaters getting their little goofy ideas out onto the Web. But from there, it grew into every possible wacko conspiracy possibility and every little simple unanswered question was spun into some deep mysterious evil NeoCon government plan.

It's just kind of sad for them at this point. They are preaching to each other and no one else is taking them seriously. Think of all the good energy wasted that might have been put to good social usage. Sad. Really Sad.

Recommended reading for anyone interested in WTC events on 9-11

I just took delivery of "102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers" by Jim Dwyer. I started it and as of last night was on page 47. It's really a very compelling read, and I can hardly contain my excitement to get back into the pages this evening when I get home. Run, don't walk, somewhere to buy this book if you are interested to know what happened inside the Towers that morning.

Some interesting tidbits I remember:

1. The remains of a man who was on or near the floors in the North Tower directly where the plane hit were found 5 blocks away from the tower. The force of the explosion blew him a distance 5 NY City Blocks from the explosion. Sure, he started from a very high point, but even still - the force of that explosion must have been massive. Can you imagine being someone walking along a city street and looking up and seeing a burned up dead guy coming down out of the sky? My God that's a morbid thought !! Parts of the plane landed in an intersection 4 blocks away also.

2. The last people to leave the Windows on the World restaurant alive ALMOST did not catch the elevator. One of the people in the elevator saw them rushing to catch it and HELD THE DOORS OPEN FOR THEM. What if he had not seen them, or had been in such a hurry that he was not compelled to hold it for them? They would be dust right now. Such is the fragility of life or death on that tragic day.

3. The 106th and 107th floors, 80 feet above the plane crash floors, were soon so smoky that the patrons of the restaurant were virtually overcome with smoke and had very little areas at all on either floor that were not smoke-covered. There was obviously a very LARGE LARGE fire burning below them to cause that situation.

4. Burning jet fuel reached (via elevator shafts) at least as far down as 4 levels below ground level in the North Tower. Most likely the source of the "explosions in the basement" talk that we have heard about.

So far every report of any fire or explosions reported either by phone from people who died or from people who survived and made it out have been a direct result of the plane crash and the jet fuel in the elevator shafts. I'll report more info tomorrow if I have anything new to me.

WTC Elevator Trapped Documentary on A&E Last Night

Adding more first-person evidence to the lack of bombs in the WTC was this special which I watched last night. It was stories of survivors in Elevators at WTC.

Each tower had 99 elevators. 99 ! That's how all the jet fuel fireballs hit the lower floors and started fires down below - all those elevator shafts !!

Think about it in these terms: What kind of a mess do you think it would cause pouring a 55 gallon drum of kerosene down a stairway or an elevator shaft and lighting it on fire? Well, imagine if more than 180 of those 55 gallon barrels was poured down the four stairwells and and the 99 elevators at the same time and lit on fire. No wonder people got incinerated and everything on multiple floors caught on fire !!

One guy who was virtually down at the ground lobby sat in his elevator alone trapped until about 2 minutes before his tower fell. The South Tower collapsing is what allowed him to get out because the power went off and he could finally open his elevator doors without the electronic lock keeping it closed. He said there was jet fuel leaking into his elevator seeping down the walls. So even UNBURNED jet fuel made it to the ground floors, which makes the fact that fireballs came out of the lower floor elevators completely understandable !! Many elevators at impact of the first jet had their cables sliced and fell to the bottom, causing the "explosions" some people heard. An elevator falling 40 or 50 floors will tend to make an explosive sound when it hits bottom !!

One elevator operator on the 78th floor at the time the plane hit on the 93rd floor said "the back wall of the elevator which was wood paneling just peeled down from the top and the fireball came in, caught everyone's upper body on fire, then sucked back out the back of the elevator." Think of the terror those people must have felt !! Talk about "TERRORISM." She says she has not recovered emotionally yet - she is paranoid and scared of everything now. She trusts nothing or no one. That's exactly how the terrorists want to affect us, and why we SHOULD be at war with them. No one should be able to do this to any American citizen and get away with it. Never mind that she survived - she was changed forever and not in a good way.

None of the people they interviewed or either of the authors of books about the elevator survivors said anything about any BOMBS. Not one single person who spent an hour or more or even less said anything about hearing any explosions, other than the sounds RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING seconds after the plane crash of the severed cable elevators dropping.

There Will Always Be "Unanswered Questions" - FOREVER

Something that came to mind today was the way the Conspiracy Theorists are always basing their arguments on "all these unanswered questions." They seem to be thinking "if the official story is correct, why so many unanswered questions?"

Well, just because there are "unanswered questions" does not mean someone is trying to hide something.

In the case of the 9-11 attacks, there are and will always be questions unanswered because of the VERY SHORT TIME FRAME IN WHICH THE ENTIRE ATTACK HAPPENED AND HOW THE EVIDENCE OF THE ATTACKS WAS DESTROYED IN THE ATTACKS THEMSELVES.

All we have is the evidence gathered by the "still living." Like the messages on answering machines left by the people who died on Flight 93. The recorded phone calls by American Airlines while talking to Betty Ong on Flight 11, who has a 23-minute call recorded. The video evidence of the planes crashing into the WTC towers. The DNA of the passengers and crew and hijackers retrieved from Shanksville.

We will NEVER have answers to some of these questions, and that should be OK with most people. But to say, just because there are unanswered questions, that there has been some deception by someone at high government levels - is that not taking a little bit of a logical leap? I'd say it most assuredly is doing so.

Demolition REVISITED

Another thing I thought about yesterday and today in regard to demolitions: Don't they take like WEEKS to put them together? And dont they cut through the steel support columns about 90% and use hundreds of feet of wire to use an electric charge to fire the blasting caps? And don't they start at the BOTTOM of the buildings, not where the plane crashed into?

Why, yes, they DO.

I found an demolition company which, WITHOUT POLITICAL BIAS, has analyzed the data they have and the video tapes of the collapses from a DEMOLITION point of view, EXCLUSIVE of any conclusion by FEMA, NIST, or anyone else. They put together a little PDF file which can be found here:

The WTC Towers were NOT demolished by explosives.

They are pretty succinct and LOGICAL and they understand what it takes to demolish a building and they understand what a demolition looks like. WTC was not a demolition. Oh yes, also - this company was doing demolition work in the city that day and have their own seismic recordings that day, which along with the readings by Columbia University, show that there were NO seismic indications of preliminary explosions.

Get OVER it CTers.

Demolition Theory at WTC "REALLY" Starting To Get On My Nerves

After reading the "Aftermath..." book on Friday night and looking at all the GZ pics and being reminded AGAIN that the debris workers came from all over the state of NY and indeed all over the USA, it strikes me AGAIN as so completely ridiculous that any demolition equipment was supposedly used at WTC.

First of all: There were almost 20,000 human body parts or remnants of human bodies recovered from the site. Since human tissue is softer than anything a bomb can be made out of, it would stand to obvious REASON that if any thermite canisters or bombs or incindiary devices were planted ANYWHERE it the WTC towers, that SOME small piece of ONE of those bombs or any bomb-making material would have been found at the debris site. No wires, no timers, no evidence of any demolition equipment ANYWHERE in the millions of debris pieces. HHHHMMMMMMMMM.

This is ESPECIALLY true for the CTers who say that the dust puffs out of the windows as the floors collapsed were made by bombs. If there were THAT MANY BOMBS, then SURELY some remnants of that would have been found in the debris pile - right? Right?

Nothing of the sort was reported found by ANYONE. All the hundreds if not thousands of cleanup workers, cops, firemen, iron workers, construction workers - NOT ONE OF THEM FOUND ANY TRACES OF ANY BOMBS ANYWHERE IN THE DEBRIS PILE.

Does that not ring as a huge CLUE to the clueless "inside jobbers" that there must have been NO BOMBS and NO THERMITE if nothing was found in the pile?

Did Rove and Cheney use "invisible bombs" to go along with the "invisible ninjas" who planted the bombs and the "invisible wires" they used to detonate the bombs and the "invisible location" from which all the bombs were detonated?

Freakin DUH.

I just ordered a book the "inside jobbers" are either going to love or hate

I just ordered Aftermath: World Trade Center Archive (Hardcover)
by Joel Meyerowitz (Author) from Amazon.com

It has 8500 photos of the debris cleanup over the 9 months after the collapse.

It will either:

1. give the CT folks more ammo, or
2. it will amaze them that this was ALLOWED to be published, or
3. it will provide visual proof of no demolition.

So either way, the Inside Jobbers are going to be affected. Can't wait to get my copy.

"Inside Jobbers" should get their theories straight.

I have looked at literally HUNDREDS of "conspiracy theory" websites lately. Seems like, to have a mainstream, coherent, believable message, some of those folks ought to get together and settle on ONE theory per 9-11 incident. Here are some of the things I have seen written.

At the WTC Towers:

1. NO planes hit the WTC. It was done with Holograms, and CNN was in on it.
2. Planes DID hit the WTC, but they had missile pods on the bottom which caused all the damage to the buildings.
3. Someone was firing missiles from the roof of the WoolWorth Buiding.
4. It was just "commuter size" planes that hit the buildings, and the bombs inside did all the damage. The planes were just a DIVERSION.

At the Pentagon:

1. It was a cruise missile.
2. It was a missile fired from a helicopter.
3. It was a bunker buster dropped from a C-130.
4. It was a small commuter plane.
5. It was a military jet which hit the Pentagon.

At Shanksville:

1. Flight 93 landed in Cleveland and the passengers disembarked there.
2. Flight 93 was shot down.
3. The damage at the crash site was the missile hitting the ground after Flight 93 had landed in Cleveland.
4. Flight 93 reported an explosion and a fire on the plane.
5. Earthquake data shows Flight 93 crashed a WHOLE THREE MINUTES before the "official" crash time.

Hijackers:

1. They are all still alive and living in exile paid for by the CIA.
2. They were all too incompetent to fly a plane which was already in the air (my 10 yr old son could do that)
3. The planes were flown by remote control (that would be a very cool toy to own)
4. Hijackers were CIA patsies only, and the PILOTS flew the planes.

Osama Bin Laden:

1. He's at Camp David.
2. He's been a CIA patsy for 20 years, since we hired him to fight the Russians.
3. He's taking credit for it but did not do it.
4. Although he is responsible (apparently) for multiple OTHER terrorist acts across the world, he did not do 9-11.
5. Pakistan is hiding him for the CIA.

Seems like to me (just a thought) that MAYBE if the "inside job" folks wanted to be taken more seriously, they need to have, like, a seminar or a debate or something and get ONE STORY on EACH ITEM and select that one as the truth as they see it. You know, put together a demonstration of how this happened, what happened when, who did what, and keep it all on the SAME PAGE. Maybe then someone without political bias would take them more seriously.

Ya Think? Ya see the problem? There is NO WAY they could do that. So "one coherent truth" cannot be put forward by the Conspiract Theorists. So in essence, their movement is doomed to be untrue.

Logically, if THEY cannot put one coherent theory together, but WE CAN as the believers that OBL perpetrated the attack, then who is wrong by default?

Think about it this way: The "inside job" folks have had FIVE YEARS to put together a coherent story of what they think happened, and they cannot do it.

The "official story" was basically on the news on 9-12-2001. IT had "one solitary day" to show what happened.

The truth is fast but lies take time.

Loose Change Forum No Like Me

Well, if you want to challenge the wackos over at the Loose Change Forum, be careful not to call them names. They, however, can call BushCo all the names they WANT to, slander the NYFD, slander the government, and do whatever they feel like in the name of HATE.

I ask one little question and my posting capability got banned. THAT'S a good way to stimulate discussion - stifle debate !! Why did I not think of that before?

PS. They re-instated me because I complained of being censored. Good for them. I'm back over there posting rebuttals again. Thanks Sanders.

This Was Printed 9-12-2001 in the Miami Herald. It should remind all of us of the pain and especially the anger the 9-11 attacks created in Americans:

We'll Go Forward From This Moment
by Leonard Pitts, Jr., the Miami Herald, written 9-11-01.

It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But at this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn?

Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae--a singer's revealing dress, a
ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though--peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the
overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people--you, perhaps, think that any or all of this makes us weak.

You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot by measured by arsenals.

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.

Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward
from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.

As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange:

You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

Copyright 2001 Miami Herald.

More on the force of the concussion of when the plane hit the tower

This from a "blog" of a man who worked on the 26th floor of the North Tower. This comes from his talking to friends and co-workers who were at the building at the time. He was (lucky for him) away on Jury Duty that morning and watched the events from afar. His name is Edward Jerlin and this is his page:

http://www.geocities.com/ejerlin/

"We were down on the 44th floor when the plane hit our building.
The windows all broke & chairs & equipment, anything near the
windows, got sucked out of the building."

So think about that for a second. When the plane hit, 40 floors ABOVE them, the concussion on their floor was so strong that windows broke and chairs and equipment got sucked out of the windows.

For those who doubt the INCREDIBLE FORCE that the impact of the plane had on the structure of the building, please re-read the above two paragraphs. An impact so strong that 40 floors BELOW the impact zone, windows were shattered and the concussion effect sucked chairs and equipment out of the window. Amazing.

More from Ed's site:

"When we got to the lobby, they let us out of the side of the
building on the 2nd floor, the upper-lobby where all the tourists go."

"All the elevator doors were black & burnt out & mangled at all
kinds of odd angles. There were a couple of inches of water on
the floor. They were hoarding us away from the central courtyard
towards West Street."

"The courtyard was littered with debris & bodies.
I only looked briefly. That was more than I wanted to see.
All kinds of flaming debris was floating around like a meteor shower.
I couldn't begin to describe what that looked like."

"There was a guy just outside the door holding everyone at the door,
making them wait. Then some huge piece of glass or something would
hit the ground. Then he'd yell, 'NOW! RUN! RUN!' He was letting
out 3 people at a time to RUN out of there towards West Street.
Then he'd stop everybody again, followed by something else falling.
He was trying to get everyone out without anyone getting hit by anything.
He was putting his own life on the line to get others out.
I really hope he got out."

"You could feel the heat."

"I'll never get over seeing people jump from the building."

Think about the lobby elevator doors being "black and magngled." That's from the jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts and exploding. ALL THE WAY DOWN THE THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING.

More from the elevator fires:

"One guy I work with, Pat, you remember him?
He was downstairs for a cigarette & waiting for an elevator.
When the doors opened, flames shot out of them & killed the
guy in front of him & the guy beside him almost immediately.
Pat got burns on about 30% of his body, or something like that.
It's amazing he's alive. I guess he's in pretty good spirits
because I heard that he joked with Steve that he's now uglier
than he is. I don't know when or if he'll come back to work."

Loose Change Forum

If you want to see some WACKO ideas thrown around, go visit this asylum:

Loose Change Forum

Do like I did and start posting rebuttals to their crap. I'm anxious to see how much hate I can generate. Seems to be easily done - just disagree and BOOM "you are a sheep" or "you are an idiot" or "you support a mass murderer" etc etc.

I hate to spit this cliche', but it's more like the "Loose Screw" forum over there.

Dr. Stephen Jones, Conspiracy Advocate, On the Hot Seat

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/60800

Looks like all those "Mormons in the Bush Administration" have some pull at BYU, LOL! Dr. Jones might need to reconsider his ridiculous opinion to keep his job. Even if he is not fired (which is doubtful) this will surely lead to more of his peers looking disdainfully upon him, which is good news for TRUE academia.

Let's End The Pentagon Missile Conspiracy Talk, Shall We? ALLRIGHTY THEN.

Eyewitness Accounts

This page is loaded with eyewitness accounts FROM WASHINGTON DC of people who SAW A PLANE COME IN LOW AND HIT THE PENTAGON.

To believe it was a missile, you would have to somehow prove that all these dozens of unrelated people were ALL in on "the conspiracy."

Puh-Leeze.....

I need to make this post

So here we are at the 5 year anniversary. I remember that morning well, as most all of us do. I was at my desk when a couple of co-workers who come in later than I did burst into the door saying "a plane crashed into the World Trade Center." We immediately started surfing cnn.com and other news sites, and not much was there yet really. We have a TV upstairs in our training room, so I went up there and setup the antenna and tuned to a local station, which was by that time doing a live feed from CNN. Two of the owners of the company came up there and we watched in silence and shock. We were watching live when the second plane hit, and then it of course dawned on us that it was a terrorist act. The instant the first tower started falling my first thought was "Oh My God" and my second thought, following almost instantly on top of that one was, "the other tower is going to come down too." I just instinctively knew that, based on the obvious visual evidence right in front of me. I instantly made the connection that the second tower hit was hit LOWER and thus had MORE WEIGHT above the fire and that was why it went first - I did not have to wait for any experts to tell me that. I knew that in the first 30 seconds after it collapsed. I watched for about 15 minutes after the second tower fell and then I had to go back to work. Did not really get any work done that day - most of us were talking about it and following the news sites.

I urge all of you to remember your feelings that day. Remember the pain, the anger, the shock, the itch for quick revenge. All the things we are doing to try to prevent further attacks are designed with the goal to AVOID those kind of feelings in the future. Support the Homeland Security Department.

Here is the first e-mail I got that morning which referenced the attacks:

7:24 AM MST 9/11/01: Are you watching the news this morning ?......the two planes that were highjacked...one from Boston to LA crashed into the Pentegon and the other crashed into the New York world towers. They just said that one building has just collapsed. and they have ordered all airplanes now flying to land at the nearest airport.

Here is the second one:

9:33 AM MST 9/11/01: Are you watching the news?

Third one, who was cc'ed on the second one:

9:38 AM MST 9/11/01: OH yes, we have our big screen on, been watching it since the first plane flew into the WTC. It just gets more crazy as the day goes along.

Here was my first outgoing mail from myself that morning:

11:14 AM MST 9/11/01: This is horrible. Makes me want to cry, makes me want to scream, makes me want to torture someone involved in this atrocity. Thank GOD we have Bush and not Clinton in the White House..................

My cousin replied:

11:35 AM MST 9/11/01: Clinton is gladly gone. It makes me mad too. Palestinians celebrating in the streets. Whoever did it better not fess up. I have a feeling there won't be any of them left. I'm glad we're somewhat safe. Talk to you later.

I got this mail the morning of the 13th, which summarizes how the world felt about us that day:

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good
Neighbor. Widespread, but only partial news coverage, was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon
Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator.

What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the
Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions
of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries
is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When
earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in
to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those
countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd
like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get
radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You
talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not
once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about
scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for
everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and
hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are
breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at
home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When
the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000
times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in
trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They
will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they
are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over
their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand
proud, America!

Those Silly Al-Jezeera Guys !!

Another (yet ANOTHER) video tape 9-7-2006 from Osama's network, this time supposedly a 9-11 planning session and two "last will and testament" statements from two of the supposed hijackers. No wonder Karl Rove hates Osama - he's getting all the credit for the plan while Rove is getting no credit at all !!! (tongue firmly inserted in cheek)

I've Been On A 9-11 Documentary Binge

Lately, becuase of the approaching 5-year anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, there have been NUMEROUS TV specials and documentaries on the tube lately. Some are new, some are re-hashes.

One particularly interesting one ( in regard to the demolition theories ) was on last night on Discovery Channel. It was called "Metal of Honor - Ironworkers of Ground Zero" or something to that effect.

It was the story of all the ironworkers who came from all over the country to help remove the heaviest iron debris from the recovery site. Their job was to identify the metal supporting the piles and remove the steel by cutting and extracting it, making it easier and safer to remove the piles of debris.

There were interviews with several of them who worked 12-hour shifts for several months and were INTIMATE with the debris pile and the steel and iron girders and basically all of the debris.

And guess what?

Not a SINGLE ONE OF THEM mentioned finding ANY steel or iron which looked ANYTHING like a demolition had occurred.

How is THAT possible, conspiracy guys?

You had men with 30+ years of iron and steel working experience. Surely SOME of them in their careers had been a part of a team that removed debris from a truly demolished building or two. But amazingly, NONE of them said anything about seeing anything like that.

Seems like if there HAD been evidence of a demolition, then THESE GUYS would have seen it, what with hundreds of them spending 12 hours a day for months on the debris pile.

Any explanations for that?

The NIST report is the most detailed around

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

These guys did the most detailed and involved investigation of the WTC collapse which has been completed. Quote:

"Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse."

My question is: have any of the Conspiracy organizations done NEAR this much investigation? I think we all know the answer is NOPE.

When all the evidence was SCIENTIFICALLY ANALYZED BY PROFESSIONALS, here was the logical, professional conclusion:

"NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:

* the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;

* the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.

Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.

In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view."

'Nuff said? Of course not. Because the conspiracy theorists are going to say NIST was involved in the "cover-up" of course.

"Deee-Tee-Deee" as Carlos Mencia would say.

Something Else About WTC7

Another thing I noticed today about the "pull" conversation between Silverstein and the FIRE CHIEF that is such a big point to the Conspiracyologists:

Are you telling me that a FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMANDER is a complicit participator in the "demolitions" supposedly perpetrated by the government? A FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMANDER is going to OK something which has already KILLED 343 of his fellow firefighters? I think that assumption is an insult to the heroes of that day and to every firefighter in this country who loved their job and takes their job seriously.

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt

The best site I know that explains a lot of things

http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

This site is the "other side" of the hundreds of conspiracy sites.

It has a particularly good section on pictures of the South side of WTC 7 and why that building was NOT going to stand up for long. Huge hole in the back side. A hugely crooked outer wall. And "pull" meaning "pull the firemen OUT" not "demolish it."

You Conspiracy Guys Need To Attack My LOGIC

OK let's take another tack. So far, all the comments which have been left have either:

1. Called me an idiot for believing what I saw with my own eyes, or
2. Pointed me to websites which have a huge number of unsubstantiated hearsay stories, or
3. Pointed me to websites which have total nonsense as the argument.

Now, I completely understand that you guys HATE the Bush Administration - that's a given. I have yet to hear from ONE SINGLE APOLITICAL PERSON or REPUBLICAN who is in favor of this "we did it" theory.

Here's what I want you to do so we can make some headway, versus just banging our heads against a wall:

ATTACK MY CONCLUSIONS.
ATTACK MY LOGIC.
SHOW ME THAT MY COMMON SENSE STATEMENTS ARE FALSE.

Don't try to show me all your supposed "evidence" because all that means NOTHING if you cannot penetrate the logic of what I am saying. For example, if you can't dissuade me from believing that the Towers started falling from the areas where the jet fuel fires had done the most damage to the steel, then your conspiracy ends right there. And if you cannot show me any conclusive evidence that there were any explosions or fires anywhere else except where the jet fuel had gone down the elevator shafts, then your theory ends right there. And if you can't show me that the planes were NOT hijacked by young arab men, then your theory ends right there.

Prove to me your theories have a basis of truth by disproving the logic I have posted here.

Summary of Common Sense Reasons Why the Towers Were Felled By OBL

Let's summarize the major points I have made in this blog.

1. If OBL 'did not do it' then why is he constantly saying he DID DO IT? And why are the Muslim extremists having meetings and praising ALLAH for the 9-11 attacks? Should they instead be praising Karl Rove?

2. To the people who think the fact that OBL is not listed by the FBI as "WANTED FOR THE 9-11 ATTACKS" - do you think the reason is that they KNOW HE DIDN'T DO IT so they are not listing him as a suspect? Don't you think THAT might kinda give away some of the secrecy of the fact that they are trying to HIDE that the government did it? Would it not make more common sense to LIST HIM AS A SUSPECT if you are trying to BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE other than the government Invisible Ninjas who planted the explosives in WTC?

3. This demolition was done and not a SINGLE PIECE of trace evidence has shown up of the demolition - even on E-Bay? None of the thousands of cleanup workers found ANYTHING suspicious and pocketed it? So this was the MOST INVISIBLE demolition operation ever?

4. For Bush (who the haters keep saying is SO STUPID) to have pulled this off, he is not only one of the more capable and cunning people ever to walk the Earf, he is ALSO AT LEAST AS EVIL AS THE WWII GERMAN CHANCELLOR. Right? To kill thousands of innocent people on your own soil, and to cover it up, and for what reason? To make a few Rich Guys even Richer?

5. The collapse of WTC has been investigated and described by many individual engineers and groups of engineers from many backgrounds, countries, and across the political spectrum. The VAST majority agree on how these simple principles of physics brought down the towers. Fire was the culprit (or more accurately heat energy), and the fact that fireproofing systems were disrupted by the impact of the aircraft was critical. Science with a political motivation is not real science.

6. Say there WAS a big thermite-based bomb in the basement which aided in the speed of the collapse. Who's to say Osama's boys did not plant that one ahead of time? Just because we did not catch them in the act does not mean they couldn't have gained access and left a car or truck down there, right, on a timer? If we didn't find any other evidence of a "secret government demolition," then why would we have found this?

7. Assume that the Bush Administration DID perpetrate 9-11. What would that mean to the Democrats? What it would mean is this: the possible complete destruction of the Republican party. Every single Republican would get voted out of office. If a group of Senate or House Democrats took this conspiracy theory under their wings and were able to PROVE that it was a government job, that would mean the Democrats would take over the WORLD !!! So why has that not happened? Because the evidence to PROVE that it was an inside job IS NOT THERE. If it were there, the Democrats would have ALREADY run with it. So would have the media.

8. OK, so if there WERE NO hijackers, what were all those flight attendants and passengers ( who called family members and emergency numbers from the plane) talking about when they described "young, middle eastern men who have swarmed the cockpit and killed flight attendants" ?? Were THOSE CALLS FAKE TOO? Or were all those people WILLING PARTICIPANTS, who were coached as to what to say? The flight attendants whose fear was clearly recognizable in their voices - they were what, paid to fake it?

9. How about all the black box recordings? All Faked, too? How about the military and civilian air traffic controllers transcripts and recordings, some of which CLEARLY had middle eastern men with according accents speaking from the cockpits? All Faked? How about all the air traffic controllers who are now doing something else - did they all get paid off to "keep quiet?" Once again, those questions and the possible answers to them would mean a MASSIVELY secret, MASSIVELY successful coverup, involving HUNDREDS of people who are STILL ALIVE !!! All the people who were called from the planes, all the 911 operators who got calls, all the aircraft employees who were called by the flight attendants, all the air traffic controllers, all the cops and firemen and survivors of the WTC collapses. All these people are still LYING about it, even today? For what reason? So Dick Cheney's hunting buddies can get richer? It's nonsensical !!

10. "sounded like a bomb" absolutely does not mean BOMB. The morning of 8-8-2006 a construction accident occurred in downtown Phoenix. A portion of a two-story concrete parking building being demolished collapsed onto a worker. But here's why this event is in THIS blog: The first eye-witness interviewed said, "It sounded like a bomb went off. All I heard was this huge boom and I looked over and saw dust and smoke." So. A little corner portion of a small concrete parking garage collapses, and it "sounds like a bomb" going off. HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Was it a bomb? No. I wonder what the sound of a 110-story concrete and steel building collapsing would sound like !!!!!! So I think any "hearsay" eye-witness accounts of people at Ground Zero hearing "bombs going off" can be completely discounted. It was the concrete pulverizing. When the commercial dumpster guy comes to my company and removes the full dumpster and "drops off" the empty one, when the empty one hits the ground, it sounds a LOT like a bomb going off. Is it a bomb? No.

This Post Is One Of The Most Logical Posts Yet - thanks to the commenters for making this point come to me.

Have we all seen the video of the towers collapsing? Just this past weekend I watched three or four specials on TV which showed the collapse again, so it's fresh in my mind.

Think about it for a second: Did the original collapse of each building NOT START from right at the bottom of the floors that were impacted by the plane crash? It sure looked like to me it did, in both buildings. Right where the explosion and fire had done the most damage to the interior of the buildings. Those of you who remember the image - can we agree on that? Can we agree that the first floor which collapsed in each building was at or near the bottom of the areas which were damaged by the planes crashing into the buildings?

OK, so, since the collapse started there, and the building was SUPPOSEDLY blown up from the INSIDE with BOMBS, that would mean that in each building there was a bomb located on the EXACT FLOOR which was located at the bottom of the floors where the plane damage occured which was detonanted and that started the collapse?

Such an AMAZING BOMB that must have been !! The bomb which did not explode from the jet crashing into the building and starting the fire and stayed away from the fire until it was "time to explode"? The bomb which was adequately hidden from all the survivors on each floor. The bomb which, when it WAS supposedly finally detonated, gave NO VISUAL INDICATION that it had been exploded to the MILLIONS of people watching on live TV and the MILLIONS who have seen that image dozens of times each !! What an AMAZING BOMB !!!

And the planters of the bomb beforehand KNEW RIGHT EXACTLY WHERE to put the bomb so that it would be RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM of the plane crash damage (it had to be there so it could be hidden from the TV cameras, right?) and start the collapse? And how to protect it from the plane damage and the fire until it was "time" to blow down the building? They knew EXACTLY where the planes were going to crash so they could put the bombs RIGHT THERE on the CORRECT FLOORS? Is that what happened?

You see how goofy that sounds?

If anyone can show me ANY REAL EVIDENCE that the collapse DID NOT START right at the bottom of the plane damaged floors, I will delete this blog.

Use the "hate-free" portion of your brain for a second and think about this:

What were all the floors UNDER the top 50 floors SUPPOSED TO DO when hundreds of tons of concrete and steel started falling down on top of it? Were any of those floors rated for support of 600 tons of water dampers? What was supposed to happen when the top 50 floors collapsed onto the floor right under it? Was that floor supposed to then support the weight of the 50 floors above it?

Pancake collapse was INEVITABLE once the first floor collapsed. And from the above points I made, HOW ON EARTH could a bomb have made that first floor collapse?

Explain that to me. I'm waiting. Patiently.

Zacharias Moussaoui

Here's one that I think the "conspiracy proponents" have a SERIOUS problem explaining.

If you think the Arabs who hijacked and crashed the planes are "CIA Patsies", then how do you explain this guy?

Is he a "hired Mental Patient CIA Patsy?"

At no time in ALL his crazy ramblings did he blame George Bush for the attacks. He was still working for Geroge Bush, and yet calling him Satan? What did the CIA tell him: "Act crazy as a loon, claim to be Al-Quaeda, and never mention that it was an inside job." ??? Would you trust THIS KOOKBIRD if you were trying to hide the most brazen American Government secret death plan of all time? Wouldn't it have been FAR BETTER for the secrecy of the cause to just give him the same treatment the 9-11 plane victims got - quick and secretive death?

Some of his wacky court filings:

First Pleading is titled 'Wanted for WTC Bankruptcy' and offers "WTC profit and loss Account" with pleading: Loss: 3000 sons of evil Profit: 19 slaves of Allah

Osama Bin Laden's response - he CLAIMS Moussaoui as an Al-Quaeda operative:

On May 23, 2006, an audio recording attributed to Osama Bin Laden said in translation that Moussaoui "had no connection at all with September 11.... I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission.... Since Zacarias Moussaoui was still learning to fly, he wasn't number 20 in the group, as your government claimed". The voice alleged to be Bin Laden also suggested that Moussaoui's confession was "void" as it was a result of pressures applied during his incarceration.

"The Ceiling is Falling!!!"

One of the victims in the South Tower talking to his dad from the 103rd floor on his cell phone at the instant the South Tower started to fall.

Just like the engineers who built the building SAID it collapsed - floor upon floor like an accordion.

The pilots of the police helicopters saw GLOWING RED HOT BEAMS at the plane entrance moments before the North Tower collapsed, and they knew it was coming down and radioed it to the people below. That saved hundreds of people because the firemen and police then started moving people out and away quickly.

The Video also shows red hot flames at the bottom of the plane entrance right before the collapse.

This all from the A&E show "Anatomy of 9-11" which aired 8-19-2006.

Also: CNN Presents had a show about the terror war. It showed groups of radical young Islamists having meetings and CELEBRATING 9-11 AS A VICTORY FOR ISLAM. Should they be instead praising GEORGE BUSH, since HE knocked down the towers? Has George Bush been cheated out of all this free praise? Allah hopes not !!!

This column makes some great points.

I will repeat some of them below in case the link goes away.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51540

First, al-Qaida has repeatedly admitted planning and executing the 9/11 attacks. In a captured videotape recording of a private meeting in November 2001, bin Laden talks in detail about the 9/11 plot, comparing his expectations in advance to what actually occurred.

End of discussion, right? Nope. The 9/11 conspiracy peddlers reply that bin Laden is –today – on the payroll of the CIA and the Israeli Mossad. To explain away al-Qaida's proud admission, they "out" bin Laden as a CIA agent. (Where is Joe Wilson when you need him?) Some also insist that Al Jazeera is a television network operated by Israel, because Qatar lacks technical skills.

Second, of the World Trade Center, professors Fetzer and Jones insist "there was not enough kinetic energy to cause one floor to bring about the collapse of the floor below it." Yet about 29 floors tilted and fell onto the crumbling floor where the aircraft gouged out and removed support structure. Why would a university professor talk about "one floor" falling when everyone knows that 29 floors, plus 140 tons of aircraft and cargo, fell? Fetzer is intentionally deceiving the gullible. (But I am Jewish, he says, for disagreeing with him.)

Third, Fetzer and Jones argue that the Twin Towers could not have collapsed so neatly without a controlled demolition. Architects clarify that any such building is designed to load-shift. The failure of part of a floor causes other parts of that structure to compensate and take up the load. This means that each floor must always fail symmetrically. As long as any part of the floor remains intact, it is designed to pick up the remaining load. Thus, it was inevitable that the towers collapsed symmetrically and down the center. Furthermore, controlled demolitions start from the bottom up. The WTC collapse bears no resemblance to that whatsoever.

Fourth, many conspiracy peddlers insist that no airplanes ever hit the World Trade Center or Pentagon. The airplanes never existed. They refuse to acknowledge that tens of thousands of eyewitnesses went outside and watched the WTC burn before the second airplane hit. News footage was faked, they say, but they do not explain how thousands of journalists and New Yorkers all watched the airplane hit or how dozens of cameras all show the same thing. They ignore how American Airlines crash investigators verified their airplanes from the wreckage in order to file insurance claims and prepare for lawsuits. They do not explain why hundreds of civilian air traffic controllers and airport radar operators confirm the official explanation (indeed, are the sources for much of it). They assume that hundreds of local police and firefighters crawling over the wreckage covered up for the murderers of their fellow firefighters and cops.

Fifth, conspiracy mongers claim that no steel building has ever collapsed from fire alone, so the Twin Towers couldn't, either. However, the heavy-steel-construction McCormick Place Exhibition Hall collapsed after only 30 minutes of an ordinary fire in Chicago. No physical damage. No jet fuel. Just an ordinary fire softened the steel to the point of structural collapse. And that steel was not carrying the load of 110 floors above it. A dozen other fires in steel buildings have also collapsed floors because the steel softened and buckled. The Hotel Windsor lost its entire upper half in a fire. Clearly, the temperature of an ordinary fire can make a steel structure fail.

But, of course, the WTC towers did not collapse from fire alone, but from the severe physical damage of a 140-ton aircraft traveling at 540 mph shredding the support structures, not to mention the weight of the planes themselves. Incredible temperatures resulted from approximately 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel. But the fireball itself was an enormous, cataclysmic bomb, shattering the building's interior. They ignore how this fantastic bomb of jet fuel damaged the building. During the ensuing fire, the expansion of steel in 1,500 degree fires distorted the building and sheared off bolts and connectors, as the steel expanded, buckled and warped. Later, a "fuel air bomb" from jet fuel leaking down the elevator shaft shook the entire structure.

Sixth, conspiracy mongers engage in pure science fiction about whether the WTC buildings should have collapsed as they did. Such calculations are meaningless because we can never know the actual circumstances: What was the temperature inside? We will never know. Was there substandard construction material? Was the construction perfect? Was there corrosion from the salt air of the ocean during 35 years? Was the architectural design as good as the architects thought?

All such calculations are pure science fiction because there are a hundred variables we can never know. The mythmakers ignore the structural damage from the 1993 bombing. Islamic terrorists had calculated that their truck bomb in the basement garage would bring down the Twin Towers completely. The towers stood, but with what damage?

Similarly, the mythmakers claim that the towers fell at the same rate as objects in free fall. Actually, the towers fell in a span of between 12 and 20 seconds, whereas free fall is 9.22 seconds. Dr. Frank Greening's exhaustive paper demonstrates brilliantly that the Twin Towers collapse is entirely explainable from gravity alone. Furthermore, how the government can make buildings fall faster (consistent with the news footage) is never well explained.

Seventh, engineers at the Pentagon measured the hole from Flight 77 at 90 feet wide. Yet the fiction-peddlers claim that the hole was only 16 feet wide, based on a French author who apparently has never visited the United States. Conspiracy peddlers argue that a Boeing 757 would have made a hole wider than 16 feet. It did. Yet vast arguments, websites, books and careers are based on the hole being only 16 feet, instead of the actual 90 feet.

Eighth, other mythmakers point to lists of victims on each flight. They claim that the hijackers are missing from the passenger manifests, which proves that the government slipped the hijackers past security gates. But lists of victims obviously do not include the murderers who killed them.

Ninth, the 9/11 conspiracy peddlers all contradict each other. Collectively, they will claim that there is "overwhelming evidence" against the official explanation of 9/11. However, what is "overwhelming" is a mish-mash of contradictory and mutually exclusive scenarios. Each of the conspiracy peddlers proves the others wrong. Moreover, the conspiracy theories keep changing. When confronted by the falsehoods and contradictions, they simply change their story. This proves that they are not seeking the truth, but any excuse to bash Bush.

In general, conspiracy theorists point to elements of the official explanation they find hard to believe – but then adopt infinitely less believable, preposterous scenarios. Their scenarios do not answer their own questions any better than the official explanation (or even as well). These activists are simply intent on bending the truth, not finding it, to bash George Bush.

"Fake" War On Terror Continues

Boy, George Bush keeps looking smarter and SMARTER. All these "fake" supposed Al Quaida attacks we are thwarting - MAN !! He's not only the mastermind behind the attacks THEMSELVES, but he's getting credit for STOPPING them TOO !!!

Man, does he have to go down as the smartest, most capable President EVER or WHAT ?????

(ok tongue now removed from cheek)

So conspiracy proponents: A Question If You Would Please

If Geroge Bush "faked" 9-11 as an Al Quaida attack to start the "Fake War On Terror", then where are all these other bombings and attacks and planned attacks coming from?

Is your ridiculousness becoming apparent to your own self now? It should be, because it's becoming Crystal Clear to me.

More tidbits from the PM story:

Puffs Of Dust
CLAIM:As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

Popular Mechanics Debunks the "Conspiracy Theories"

See this story.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

It uses SCIENCE and COMMON SENSE to debunk a lot of the "conspiracy proponents" main points.

After reading this, my Blog becomes so much stronger.

Some tidbits:

Seismic Spikes
CLAIM:Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. "The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth," reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.

A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are "indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down" the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each "sharp spike of short duration," says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a "demolition-style implosion."

FACT:"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear--misleadingly--as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves--blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower--start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

"sounded like a bomb" absolutely does not mean BOMB

This morning (8-8-06) a construction accident occurred in downtown Phoenix. A portion of a two-story concrete parking building being demolished collapsed onto a worker. He is likely deceased - they are digging him out now.

But here's why this event is in THIS blog:

The first eye-witness interviewed said, "It sounded like a bomb went off. All I heard was this huge boom and I looked over and saw dust and smoke."

So. A little portion of a small concrete parking garage collapses, and it "sounds like a bomb" going off. HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Was it a bomb? No.

I wonder what the sound of a 110-story concrete and steel building collapsing would sound like !!!!!!

So I think any "hearsay" eye-witness accounts of people at Ground Zero hearing "bombs going off" can be completely discounted. It was the concrete pulverizing.

Something else.

When the commercial dumpster guy comes to my company and removes the full dumpster and "drops off" the empty one, when the empty one hits the ground, it sounds a LOT like a bomb going off. Is it a bomb? No.

Something else that is prevalent in the "conspiracy theorists" mentality

Many times, a person who brands themselves "intellectual" or fits into an "academic elitist" category will take on a socially compelling issue such as this for a boost to their own ego.

Because they want to believe they are "much smarter than the average USA citizen" they try to put on airs of "I'm smarter than you are, so I'm not going to fall for the Official Story like all you sheep are doing. Ha Ha Ha you silly sheep !!!"

This attitude is just mere, complete, unabashed POPPYCOCK.

There's nothing "smarter" about believing that someone who you feel is such a dumbass (George Bush) is capable of pulling off a successful secret attack such as 9-11.

And like I have said before - how many DOZENS or HUNDREDS of people would have had to be involved in such a cover-up? You think all those people can be kept silent? Dream on.

"Worshiping the Politcally-Motivated Scientist Who Sees It My Way"

Recent story on the web indicates that the "conspiracy freaks" have a new hero. Some scientist named "Steven Jones" who is apparently some big lefty academic guy.

The story mentions that "politically motivated science is not science at all" and I could not agree with that statement more strongly.

Also, it mentions that the "molten metal" found in the debris was likely molten aluminum from the planes, and not from the beams helping to hold the buildings up.

But I said before - even if there WERE signs of molten steel beams, what's to say that the terrorists planted a bomb or bombs in the basement as a part of the attack? No one knows if that did or did not happen, but it SURELY is more likely than other ideas.

One of the "scholars" in the group says:

"If the U.S. government is lying about how the buildings came down, anything else they say cannot be believed," she said. "So why would they want to tell us an incorrect story if they weren't part of it?"

Oh, Yes, that makes perfect sense !! If they lie about something, then that means they will lie about EVERYTHING !! Whata stupid ass doofus.

Mr. Jones' paper says this:

Thus, molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel. However, scientific analysis, using for example X-ray fluorescence, would be needed to ascertain the actual composition of the molten metal. I maintain that these published observations are consistent with the use of the high-temperature thermite reaction, used to cut or demolish steel. Thermite is a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum powder. The end products of the thermite reaction are aluminum oxide and molten iron. So the thermite reaction generates molten iron directly, and is hot enough to melt and even evaporate steel which it contacts while reacting.

So he ASSUMES that molten metal was present, due to HEARSAY, and NO SAMPLES of this supposed metal are available for testing? How CONVENIENT to his hypothesis.

More on the Hijackers:

As my post directly below this one proves, there were DEFINITELY ARAB hijackers on the 9-11 planes. I proved that point beond doubt, by asking my questions and providing the only possible answers.

Many of the "conspiracy sites" I have read say that "7 of the 19 supposed hijackers alive and well!" or statements similar to that.

Allow me to say how that does not matter AT ALL.

The way those terrorists use names and trade them around and use different identities all the time, to cover their illegal ways, WHO CARES WHAT NAMES THEY USED?

There were definitely "young arab men" on the planes, killing people, in the process dying for ALLAH. Can we ALL agree on THAT POINT? ( If you think there were not young arab men on the planes killing people, see my below post and then come back up here. )

Would they have died for GW Bush? ( Please allow me to stop "rolling on the floor laughing my tail off all night long" before I continue. )

So what do the conspiracy guys think? The CIA hired these guys to die so Dick Cheney's hunting buddies could get richer? You see how idiotic that sounds?

This one is SO EASY to Refute:

I have seen a lot of "conspiracy talk" with variations on this theme:

"There were no Arab Hijackers on the planes at all" or
"Four of the supposed hijackers are still alive" or
"All we have is a grainy tape from Logan which could have been doctored" or
"No way those flight school dropouts could have piloted those planes so well" or
Etc Etc Etc.

Let's refute that with a few questions and answers:

1. OK, so if there WERE NO hijackers, what were all those flight attendants and passengers ( who called family members and emergency numbers from the plane) talking about when they described "young, middle eastern men who have swarmed the cockpit and killed flight attendants" ?? Were THOSE CALLS FAKE TOO? Or were all those people WILLING PARTICIPANTS, who were coached as to what to say? The flight attendants whose fear was clearly recognizable in their voices - they were what, paid to fake it?

2. How about all the black box recordings? All Faked, too? How about the military and civilian air traffic controllers transcripts and recordings, some of which CLEARLY had middle eastern men with according accents speaking from the cockpits? All Faked?

Once again, those questions and the possible answers to them would mean a MASSIVELY secret, MASSIVELY successful coverup, involving HUNDREDS of people who are STILL ALIVE !!! All the people who were called from the planes, all the 911 operators who got calls, all the aircraft employees who were called by the flight attendants.

All these people are LYING about it, even today? For what reason? So Dick Cheney's hunting buddies can get richer? It's nonsensical !!

This little refutation has got me thinking again about HOW MUCH OF AN INSULT it is to the people who DIED ( many who were probably LOYAL AMERICANS who TRUSTED THEIR GOVERNMENT to take care of them, and with GOOD REASON ) to accuse that same government of perpetrating such an atrocity. The same government which is respected and loved and appreciated for helping protect us and help make this the best place on the planet to live. To accuse that government of willingly killing these people - it's an outrage.

If you think this government is so Evil, wouldn't it be better for you to move to Canada or Mexico or someplace else and take your HATRED with you? Loyal Americans who trust that the government is doing the right thing in the war on Terror don't need people spreading hate like this.

Sure, we want people who are "watchdogs" to help protect us from REAL government abuses - but this is not the case here. And I don't want to stifle debate or protest in any way - that's part of what makes this a great country, that you and I can disagree. But the conspiracy freaks are GENERATING HATE with no reason other than their unfounded dislike of this particular Administration. Don't you think the terrorists themselves bring enough hate to this country?

This country was built by and is protected by people who have TRUST in their elected leaders.

If you think the government is out to kill you, then do the "smart" thing and move away from the danger.